क्या 608 जीव एक साथ मोक्ष जा सकते हैं?

[Abhay]

6 महीने 8 समय में 608 जीव ही मोक्ष जाते हैं । Assume a hypothetical scenario, अगर 6 महीने 6 समय में केवल 2 जीव ही मोक्ष जाएं तो अगले २ समय में 606 जीव मोक्ष जाएंगे। ( Now assume SHIFTING REFERENCE TIME to this time ) अब इस reference time के अगले 6 महीने 6 समय में 2 जीव मोक्ष जा सकते हैं, उसके अगले २ समय में 606 जीव मोक्ष जाएंगे। यह क्रम तो कभी टूटेगा ही नहीं।

Actually, I want to ask that is this rule of 6 months 8 samay valid at any point of time ? Means if we see any period of 6 months 8 samay, exact 608 jeev would have gone moksh ??

Because a fixed reference point is not possible.

Example, IRCTC ki website पर हमको एक महीने में एक ID पर ६ टिकट बुक करने को मिलती है लेकिन उसका रेफरेंस प्वाइंट हर महीने की 1 तारीख से शुरू होता है मतलब अगर किसी ने पिछले महीने की 31 तारीख को 6 टिकट बनाई होंगी फिर भी अगले महीने की 1 तारीख को वह टिकट फिर से बना सकता है।

I think, spread of moksh can never be concentrated at some samay (can not happen in bulk at the same time). It is always dispersed in 6 months 8 samay, otherwise, once concentrated at some samay, there is no remedy to disperse the time of moksh.

[Vishal_Doshi]

Means u want to know that point when 6 months and 8 samay time period cycle starts… is it ?

[Abhay]

Yes, exactly, but that is not possible because infinite has neither start nor end. We can only take a reference point and apply this concept and this reference point will be different for all people. But concept has to satisfy all reference points.

[Labdhi_Shah]

concept has to satisfy all reference points.

Satisfaction is different for all people. May be the things we are not able to understand is understandable to others.
We might not understand the spread of 6m8s. But it is kevaligamy. And there are many things which should be taken as it is if it is not harming anyone or anything.

[Vishal_Doshi]

So if we know there is no answer then technically there is no question…

[Abhay]

But it is kevaligamy

But the basic implication of this concept is crystal clear.

spread of moksh can never be concentrated at some samay (can not happen in bulk at the same time). It is always dispersed in 6 months 8 samay, otherwise, once concentrated at some samay, there is no remedy to disperse the time of moksh.

And there are many things which should be taken as it is if it is not harming anyone or anything

If not harming anybody is the only logic to accept anything, I think that many dogmatic beliefs of superstitious people will never ever be wiped off from this world. Example, a person who believes that sleeping is the way to moksh does not harms anybody and hence should not be questioned.

if we know there is no answer

Actually I wanted to ask implication of this concept which seems like -

spread of moksh can never be concentrated at some samay

Satisfaction is different for all people.

Here satifaction is objective and not subjective as it is releated with basic mathematics

[Labdhi_Shah]

satifaction is objective and not subjective

So for example if someone doesn’t agree with Emergence “Zero” . So we have to any how find any way to make him accept. Because this disbelief is wrong.
And is it our responsibility to change his thinking??

basic implication of this concept is crystal clear.

Abhay:

So what changes you find in accepting this and in not accepting this?

[Abhay]

what changes you find in accepting this and in not accepting this

Same as when we read Jain Geography - Better understanding of world.

Just imagine, even if once, if at one samay 608 jeev go moksh, then every 6 months 7 samay will go without moksh forever and ever.

[Labdhi_Shah]

Just imagine,

I guess Better to imagine that one samay is mine. I am the one in 608. And I will not care about the rest.

[anubhav_jain]

क्षमा चाहता हूँ किन्तु मुझे प्रश्न का आधार, तर्क, उद्देश्य तीनों ही समझ नहीं आ रहे हैं। आपकी चर्चा प्रश्न से हटकर अप्रासंगिक हो गयी है। कृपया एक बार प्रश्न को स्पष्ट करें।

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[shubham1993jain]

@anubhav_jain
प्रश्नकर्ता का प्रश्न है कि , " 6 महीने 8 समय मे 608 जीव मोक्ष जाते है। मतलब करीब 180 दिन में 608 जीव मोक्ष जाते है। तो वे ये पूछना चाहते है कि 180 दिन में मोक्ष uniformly जाते या नही? मतलब क्या ऐसा हो सकता है कि 179 दिन में कोई मोक्ष न जाये और आखरी 1 दिन में 608 जीव मोक्ष चले जाएं?

@Abhay
मुझे नही लगता ये system uniform है। अगर होता तो particularly ये नही कहते कि 6 महीने 8 समय में 608 जीव मोक्ष जाते है। ये कहते 3 महीने 4 समय मे 304 जीव मोक्ष जाते है।
रही बात reference point की, क्या पता कोई रिफरेन्स पॉइंट हो , जैसे पहला काल savan vadi ekam को शुरू होता है। so there is a possibility of having a reference point.

[Vikas13]

6 महीने और 8 समय में 608 जीव मो क्ष जाते है
यदि 6 माह तक कोई जीव मो क्ष न जाये तो 8 समय में 608 जीव मो क्ष जायगे

[Abhay]

रही बात reference point की, क्या पता कोई रिफरेन्स पॉइंट हो , जैसे पहला काल savan vadi ekam को शुरू होता है। so there is a possibility of having a reference point.

Great. If there is one reference point, then it will work.