How to explain Poker is जुआ?

There have been many discussions between me and my various Jain relatives/acquaintances regarding equating Poker and जुआ. Even after giving various arguments I have never been able to convince them. The. various counter arguments provided are:

  • Poker is science and requires a lot of work. Involves science and statistics (point out various articles). Mention that a “good” poker player is more sure of things than a naive investor in stock markets.
  • Even in business, people lose money. Why is that not Jua?
  • Poker involves control of emotion etc.
  • When I mention that it is also about the भाव where it involves rush of adrenaline and anxiety, the urge of playing until winning or losing everything – they counter argue that because this involves Science, they are always in control of emotions. They always have a upper limit of the money they’ll lose which they never breach.
  • Regarding adrenaline and emotions, they say how’s it different from other sports where those players also experience anxiety, nervousness, adrenaline rush etc.

Can someone throw more light on it? I still consider Poker as Jua and will never play it, but also want to get more information on what exactly classify as ‘Jua’. By that, I mean, what is the internal state of the Jeev which classifies as Jua.

Investment of time in hope or competition is जुआ

Moreover, sensible business tactics are appreciable, but habit is despisable.

thanks for sharing this information,

Thanks and regards.
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