Jai Jinendra,
Here are my questions:
- All our scriptures, where are the original manuscripts?
- Are they preserved intact?
- How can we link the current granths available to original manuscripts to cross verify?
Jai Jinendra,
Here are my questions:
No, the original manuscript of most of the granths are not available. Maybe none of the manuscript of the historical grants are available. These scriptures were written thousands of year back. Even manuscript of тАЬchahdhalaтАЭ, which was written around 200 years back is still not available.
If the original manuscript had been available, there would have been less Sects and pants of Jainism.
Thanks for the reply. Then question arises of reliability and authenticity of existing textsтАжhow can we resolve this problem?
Yes, it does. Sadly there is no way to verify its authenticity. But there still exists an indirect way, i.e. donтАЩt take anything as taught, use your тАЬVivekтАЭ(ability to think) for that.
for ex: somebody says god created the universe. You can think like this, though it may be very difficult.
If god created the universe, where was he before he created that? Before creating the universe, was he having a body or not? If he was having a body, who created that body? If not, who can a god who is non materialistic i.e. not having hands like us can create the materialistic world? This was the thinking of Acharya Jinsen.
Also when you go in deep learing, you can put one and one together and infer from your vivek only what is correct and what is not.
Moreover it is very difficult to get the true knowledge. Even pandit daulatramji says in his тАЬBaudhiDurlabh bhavnaтАЭ,
рдзрди рдХрди рдХрдВрдЪрди рд░рд╛рдЬрд╕реБрдЦ,рд╕рдмрд╣рд┐ рд╕реБрд▓рднрдХрд░ рдЬрд╛рдиред
рджреБрд░реНрд▓рдн рд╣реИ рд╕рдВрд╕рд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ, рдПрдХ рдЬрдерд╛рд░рде рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирее
explanation: You can get wealth, beauty, kingdom etc easily, but it is very difficult to get the true knowledge.
Thanks,. Can we say that since there is no contradictions in Jainism scripture, hence we can safely follow it? Also most of the scripture is known thru тАШAtma GyanтАЩ so wonтАЩt be problem.
The reason I asked this is in context, people of other religions when spread their religion in Europe, they pride on their textual preservation , hence it is the truth. They say our text is intact hence our religion it true.
There is no contradiction in true Jain scripture, but there are contradictions in the present time. The reason being different people took meanings of different words differently unintentionally or intentionally. Some people have even changed the words of the scriptures. So you cannot follow them safely. But that doesnтАЩt mean that you shouldnтАЩt follow any. Try and find what you think is the best.
I would like to correct you that most of the scriptures are the written form of the vani of kevalgyani bhagwaan, and his knowledge was perfect.
I think you are talking about Christianity. Jesus was born in 4 B.C. only, while our religion has no beginning and no end. If you want proof of existence of Lord Aadinath or Lord Parshvanath, you can check this: https://qr.ae/TUyscC
But if take a deep drive into jain scriptures, you can get the true knowledge.
Thanks for details and link.
What do we mean by original?
The story of how рд╖рдЯреНрдЦрдгреНрдбрд╛рдЧрдо was published for the first time will also give a better picture on this. This pravachan might help.
There are two ways to verify the authenticity:
рдпрд╣рд╛рдБ рдХреЛрдИ рдкреВрдЫрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ тАФ рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ рддреЛ рд╣рдордиреЗ рдЗрд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЬрд╛рдиреА; рдкрд░рдиреНрддреБ рдЗрд╕ рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛рдореЗрдВ рд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрджреЛрдВрдХреА рд╣реА рд░рдЪрдирд╛ рд╣реЛрддреА рдЖрдИ, рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрдж рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд┐рд▓реЗ, тАФ рдРрд╕реА рдкреНрд░рддреАрддрд┐ рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдХреИрд╕реЗ рд╣реЛ?
рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рд╕рдорд╛рдзрд╛рдирдГ тАФ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрджреЛрдВрдХреА рд░рдЪрдирд╛ рдЕрддрд┐ рддреАрд╡реНрд░рдХрд╖рд╛рдп рд╣реБрдП рдмрд┐рдирд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмрдирддреА; рдХреНрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдп рд░рдЪрдирд╛рд╕реЗ рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рдЬреАрд╡реЛрдВрдХрд╛ рдорд╣рд╛ рдмреБрд░рд╛ рд╣реЛ рдФрд░ рд╕реНрд╡рдпрдВрдХреЛ рдРрд╕реА рдорд╣рд╛рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛рдХреЗ рдлрд▓рд░реВрдк рдирд░рдХ тАУ рдирд┐рдЧреЛрджрдореЗрдВ рдЧрдорди рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдкреЬреЗ тАФ рдРрд╕рд╛ рдорд╣рд╛рд╡рд┐рдкрд░реАрдд рдХрд╛рд░реНрдп рддреЛ рдХреНрд░реЛрдз, рдорд╛рди, рдорд╛рдпрд╛, рд▓реЛрдн рдЕрддреНрдпрдиреНрдд рддреАрд╡реНрд░ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдкрд░ рд╣реА рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ; рдЬреИрдирдзрд░реНрдордореЗрдВ рддреЛ рдРрд╕рд╛ рдХрд╖рд╛рдпрд╡рд╛рди рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред
And again,
рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрдирдГ тАФ рдпрджрд┐ рдХреЛрдИ рдЬреИрдирд╛рднрд╛рд╕ рддреАрд╡реНрд░рдХрд╖рд╛рдпреА рд╣реЛрдХрд░ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрджреЛрдВрдХреЛ рдЬреИрди-рд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░реЛрдВрдореЗрдВ рдорд┐рд▓рд╛рдпреЗ рдФрд░ рдлрд┐рд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреА рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ рдЪрд▓рддреА рд░рд╣реЗ рддреЛ рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдп ?
рд╕рдорд╛рдзрд╛рдирдГ тАФ рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдХреЛрдИ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪреЗ рдореЛрддрд┐рдпреЛрдВрдХреЗ рдЧрд╣рдиреЗрдореЗрдВ рдЭреВрдареЗ рдореЛрддреА рдорд┐рд▓рд╛ рджреЗ, рдкрд░рдиреНрддреБ рдЭрд▓рдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд┐рд▓рддреА; рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдкрд░реАрдХреНрд╖рд╛ рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд░рдЦреА рдардЧрд╛рддрд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ, рдХреЛрдИ рднреЛрд▓рд╛ рд╣реЛ рд╡рд╣реА рдореЛрддреАрдХреЗ рдирд╛рдорд╕реЗ рдардЧрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ; рддрдерд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХреА рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЪрд▓рддреА, рд╢реАрдШреНрд░ рд╣реА рдХреЛрдИ рдЭреВрдареЗ рдореЛрддрд┐рдпреЛрдВрдХрд╛ рдирд┐рд╖реЗрдз рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕реА рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛрдИ рд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрджреЛрдВрдХреЗ рд╕рдореВрд╣рд░реВрдк рдЬреИрдирд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░рдореЗрдВ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрдж рдорд┐рд▓рд╛рдпреЗ; рдкрд░рдиреНрддреБ рдЬреИрдирд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░реЛрдВрдХреЗ рдкрджреЛрдВрдореЗрдВ рддреЛ рдХрд╖рд╛рдп рдорд┐рдЯрд╛рдиреЗрдХрд╛ рддрдерд╛ рд▓реМрдХрд┐рдХ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдп рдШрдЯрд╛рдиреЗрдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпреЛрдЬрди рд╣реИ, рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕ рдкрд╛рдкреАрдиреЗ рдЬреЛ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрдж рдорд┐рд▓рд╛рдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдореЗрдВ рдХрд╖рд╛рдпрдХрд╛ рдкреЛрд╖рдг рдХрд░рдиреЗрдХрд╛ рддрдерд╛ рд▓реМрдХрд┐рдХ-рдХрд╛рд░реНрдп рд╕рд╛рдзрдиреЗрдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпреЛрдЬрди рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдкреНрд░рдпреЛрдЬрди рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд┐рд▓рддрд╛; рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдкрд░реАрдХреНрд╖рд╛ рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдиреА рдардЧрд╛рддрд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ, рдХреЛрдИ рдореВрд░реНрдЦ рд╣реЛ рд╡рд╣реА рдЬреИрдирд╢рд╛рд╕реНрддреНрд░рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдорд╕реЗ рдардЧрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рддрдерд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХреА рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЪрд▓рддреА, рд╢реАрдШреНрд░ рд╣реА рдХреЛрдИ рдЙрди рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрд╛рд░реНрде рдкрджреЛрдВрдХрд╛ рдирд┐рд╖реЗрдз рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИред┬╣
┬╣ рдореЛрдХреНрд╖рдорд╛рд░реНрдЧрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд╢рдХ, pp. 11-12. It would be better if one can read the entire section on рдЧреНрд░рдиреНрде рдХреА рдкреНрд░рд╛рдорд╛рдгрд┐рдХрддрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЧрдо рдкрд░рдореНрдкрд░рд╛ and рдЕрд╕рддреНрдпрдкрдж рд░рдЪрдирд╛ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╖реЗрдз
The translations of рдореЛрдХреНрд╖рдорд╛рд░реНрдЧрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд╢рдХ are also available in English and Gujarati.
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Rushi.